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tonight's last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. good evening once again and thank you for joining us for a special edition of the 11th hour. i am stephanie ruhle live from carnegie mellon university in pittsburgh for today, vice president, harris laid out her economic vision for this country. we will have my full one-on-one interview with her in a couple of minutes. first, there is major breaking news in new york city tonight. mayor eric adams is expected to face federal charges as early as tomorrow. adam says any charges against him would be entirely false and based on lies. i want to bring in former u.s. federal attorney joyce he spent 25 years as a prosecutor. joyce, i leave new york city for one night and the whole place goes on fire. what do we know and what is

this whole situation go from here? >> right. clearly, you can't ever leave again. what appears to be the case here is that federal prosecutors have gone to a grand jury. they have obtained an indictment that has been sealed. that is why we don't know any of the details. of course, while it is sealed, no one on the government side of the equation can release any details about the indictment or its existence, so it is very likely that what we are learning comes from the defense side of the equation but certainly not from law enforcement or prosecutors. >> what does it tell you that this is the same department of justice that donald trump accuses of conducting a witchhunt against him now indicting a democratic mayor? >> you know, donald trump's allegations serve donald trump and they are simply not the truth. i'm a 25-year veteran of the justice department. federal prosecutors have a northstar, and that is the rule that you can only indict a case

when you have sufficient evidence or you believe you have sufficient evidence to obtain a verdict at trial and to sustain the verdict on appeal. every federal prosecutor i know evaluates their evidence against that standard. they don't worry about if it is a democrat or republican. they're worried about doing justice. that is what the southern district of new york will have had in mind as they conducted this investigation and prepared this indictment. >> thank you, joyce. we will be all over this tomorrow morning but for now, let's come back to pittsburgh because there are 41 days until election day, and today in the speech at carnegie mellon, vice president harris gave details about her economic vision for the country. afterward, she sat down with me for an exclusive interview, her first one-on-one interview with the major networks is becoming the democratic nominee. >> mina vice president, you just laid out your economic

vision for the future but still, there are lots of americans who don't see themselves in your plan. for those who say these policies are not for me, what do you say to them? >> well, if you are hard-working , if you have the dreams and ambitions in the aspirations and i believe you do, you're in my plan. i have to tell you, i really love and i'm so energized by what i know to be the spirit and character of the american people. we have ambition. we have aspirations. we have dreams. we can see what is possible. we have an incredible work ethic. but, not everyone house the access to the opportunities that allow them to achieve

those things. but, we don't lack for those things, but not everyone gets handled stuff on a silver platter and so my vision for the economy, i call it an opportunity economy, is about making sure that all americans, wherever they start, wherever they are, have the ability to actually achieve those dreams and those ambitions which include from middle-class families, just being able to know that their hard work allows them to get ahead. i think we can't and we should not aspire to have an economy that just allows people to get by. people want to do more than just get by. they want to get ahead and i come from the middle class. my mother raised my sister and me. she worked hard. she saved up. by the time i was a teenager she was able to buy our first home and you know, home ownership for too many people in our country now is elusive. gone is the day of everyone thinking they can live the american dream is a part of my

vision for the economy is let's deal with some of the everyday challenges that people face, and address them with commonsense solutions such as affordable housing. >> over the last four years, there have been tremendous economic winds, and you just laid out a big plan but still, polling shows that most likely voters still think donald trump is better to handle the economy. why do you think that is? >> here is what i know in terms of the facts. donald trump left us with the worst economy since the great depression when you look at, for example, the employment numbers. >> it was during covid and employment was so high because we shut down the government and we shut down the country. >> even before the pandemic, he lost at least 200,000 manufacturing jobs. he lost manufacturing plants. ask the autoworkers. how he lost auto plants.

we have grown over 20 new auto plants. he has an agenda, let's just deal with it right now going forward, not to mention what happened in the past. he has an agenda that would include making it more difficult for workers to earn overtime, an agenda that would include cutting off access to small business loans for small businesses, an agenda that includes tariffs to put the point that the average working person will spend 20% more on everyday necessities and an estimated $4000 more a year on those everyday necessities to the point that top economist in our country from nobel laureates to people at moody's and goldman sachs have compared my plan with his and set my plan would grow the economy. his would shrink the economy. some of them have actually assessed that his plan would increase inflation and invite a recession by the middle of next year, so the facts remain that donald trump has a history of taking care of very rich people , and i'm not mad at anybody

for being rich, but they should pay their fair share, but tax cuts for the billionaires and the top corporations in our country and the not really paying much attention to middle- class families. my perspective on the economy is when you grow the middle class, america's economy is stronger and there is empirical evidence to prove my point correct. >> let me ask you about taxes because lots of people say i don't like donald trump but he cut my taxes. he did not just cut corporate taxes. he cut individual taxes. that expires next year and there are some people confused and i don't know what's going to happen next year. under a harris administration, at what income level should someone expect their taxes to go up in that state and local tax deduction that is currently captain matters to a lot of people in blue states [

inaudible ] >> first of all when it relates to anybody making less than $400,000 per year, your taxes will not go up. in fact, under my plan, taxes for 100 million americans will actually be cut, including $6000 a year for young couples, for the first year of their child's life in a tax credit by expansion of the child tax credit and why is that? because during the first year of a young couple with the child's life, they're going to need help buying a crib, buying a car seat and we all benefit when they are actually able to do when they want to do to take care of the child. >> expanding that tax credit, you mentioned housing before, if you can't raise corporate taxes or if gop takes control of the senate, where do you get the money to do that? do you still go forward with those plans and borrow? >> we are going to have to raise corporate taxes and we are going to have to raise -- we are going to have to make sure that the biggest corporation and billionaires

pay their fair share. that is just it. it is about paying their fair share. i'm not mad at anyone for achieving success but everyone should pay their fair share and it is not right that the teachers and the firefighters that i meet every day across the country are paying a higher tax than the richest people in our country. >> bill gates just set it this week. if he was in charge of taxes he would've paid more but how do you find that line to make sure corporations are paying their fair share but not leaving our country? >> i have worked with a lot of ceos. i've spent a lot of time and i'm going to tell you that there are business leaders who are actually part of the engine of america's economy of grade that people should pay their fair share. they also agree that when they look at a plan such as mine that is about investing in the middle class, investing in new industries, investing in

bringing down costs, investing in entrepreneurs like small businesses, the overall economy is stronger and everyone benefits. part of my plan for the economy is investing in new industries in a way that we have active partnerships with the private sector. i have worked with the private sector my entire career. even as vice president, working with some of the biggest banks and biggest tech companies to increase by billions of dollars, money going into community banks to increase access to capital for small businesses. vita the biggest corporations and ceos do that? because they know those kinds of investments like in our small businesses, startups and entrepreneurs actually strengthens america's economy overall and everyone benefits of this is not about bilking anybody, but it is certainly about saying let's make sure we create opportunity for everyone

to grow wealth. i believe it is not sufficient and it should not be our goal to just make sure everyone is working. that should be the baseline. that should be a given, and let's create an economy where people have the ability to buy a home, to start a business, to take a nice vacation from time to time. for people who want to buy a home yes, getting a $25,000 kicker would be great but it's not just affording a home. we don't have enough in this country. >> you are absolutely right. >> one of the main problems is regulations and rules at a local level. how does the federal government cut through all that red tape and get down to the suburbs of pittsburgh and say were going to have to build some affordable housing here. how do you connect the two? >> you are absolutely right. across our country people rightly are concerned about the cost of housing, homeownership, to your point. we need more supply. that is, without any question, part of the solution. creating more supply and demand plan includes creating tax

incentives to work with the private sector and homebuilders. part of my goal in the plan would be to create 3 million new housing units for rent and ownership by the end of my first term. it includes also what we must do to cut red tape. you are absolutely right. it takes far too long and there's too much bureaucracy associated with homebuilding and i say that as a devout public servant. i know that we have to reduce the red tape and speed up what we need to do around building and that is going to require working from the federal level with state and local government and it's going to be different in different places depending on the needs of that community, the needs of that local government, that municipality but working in consultation and coordination and also around incentives we can create for example, some of the work is going to be through what we do in terms of giving benefits and assistance to state and local governments around transit dollars and looking holistically at the connection between that and housing. looking holistically at the incentives we can create for

local and state governments to engage in planning and holistic manner that includes prioritizing affordable housing for working people. >> when we come back, more of my interview with vice president kamala harris. we will talk about donald trump's broken promises for union workers, abortion, immigration tariffs. the 11th hour just getting underway on a very big wednesday night from carnegie mellon university in pittsburgh.

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we are back with more of my exclusive interview with vice president kamala harris from pittsburgh. let me ask you a business that matters a lot to this town, u.s. steel. when you think pennsylvania, when you think pittsburgh, you have the rebel in philly and he was still in pittsburgh. the japanese company wants to buy them. you and many people are opposed to this idea but if the deal does not go through, they have said people could lose jobs, they could close mills, they could leave the state of pennsylvania. that's like moving the liberty bell to newark. so, which is more important? >> it is most important that we maintain america's ability to have american manufacturing of steel by american workers for a number of reasons.

that includes again, back to the point of growing our economy and how i think about the economy overall, investing in new industries. there is not a new industry i can imagine that is not going to require steel, the manufacturing of steel is a fundamental part of what it accomplishes and having american workers in an american company manufacturing that steel for those new industries is going to be critically important not only in terms of our economy but also in the context of national security. most people now realize if we did not before the pandemic, and the strain on supply chains and an overreliance on foreign manufacturing, that we have to be intentional about u.s.-based manufacturing and of the products that we have to

prioritize, steel is one of them and that's always going to be my priority. >> steelworkers matter in this country. unions matter. >> in 2016, donald trump connected with unions. he saw them. there was an emotional connection, but what he did not do was deliver policy. in the last four years, we have seen huge wins in this country for unions, but not all unions have gotten behind you. i want to understand when the teamsters decided not to endorse you, what was the reasoning? what are they looking for? >> well, let me go back to our previous conversation. i'm very proud to have the endorsement of the steelworkers and almost every other major union in america because i stand by workers in standby the importance of being able to join a union and to understand the benefit and the value of unions and i understand the importance of investing in new industries and in working

actively with the private sector to grow our economy. >> but i'm asking because there is this idea of we want something more from her. what is it? >> here's the thing back to your point about previous election cycles. donald trump made a lot of promises that he did not meet and one would argue, broke. look at lawrence town. he said that he was -- >> don't sell your home is. >> yeah, don't sell your homes and look what happened, it shut down. outsourcing under donald trump. his policies are about putting tends to 100% tariffs. >> john deere. >> yes, yes. >> a part of the challenge and i don't disagree that it is a challenge, you've got to earn the vote of everybody, is reminding people of fact regardless of what somebody says in the small rally somewhere, and i think that is really important and that is part of what i am doing in this campaign is to remind people

just like here in pittsburgh, of the reality of who has stood with union labor, who stands for american manufacturing, who stands for american jobs. >> you just mentioned tariffs are not just with one company. donald trump's big idea is brought-based tariffs across the board. you and many others have said that would be not only disastrous but it would be a direct tax on the american consumer. >> it would be a tax on the american people -- the independent economists have already measured this. the sales tax of doing 20% tariffs on all imports that he has described would be a 20% sales tax in essence on basic necessities for the average american family totaling almost $4000 a year. that is no small matter. here in pittsburgh when i'm talking to a group of folks who work here and live here and when they hear it might be $4000 more a year for them, look, people can't afford that. >> but, tariffs are not unique to former president trump.

president biden has tariffs in place and is looking to potentially implement more. would you come out on this good tariff or a bad tariff. >> part of the problem is you don't just throw around the idea of tariffs across the board. i say this since all sincerity, he's just not very serious about how he thinks about some of these issues and one must be serious and have a plan, and a real plan that is not just about some talking point ending in an exclamation at a political rally but actually putting thought into what will be the return on the investment . what will be the economic impact on everyday people and when you look at my plans, you will see what those benefits will be. $25,000 down payment assistance for first-time homebuyers.

do you know what that means? you are creating the ability of that working person to build intergenerational wealth, doing the work of a $6000 child tax credit, doing the work of a $15,000 tax deduction for first- time small business startups. >> that's a real plan. >> it is a real plan because right now it's about paying attention to the detail and being serious about it. i am serious about my enthusiasm for small businesses in my belief and what they will do as part of america's economic engine. we are still looking at the fact that right now the tax deduction is $5000. nobody in 2024 can start a small business for $5000 so extending it to $50,000. a tax deduction for startups to generate the innovation and the ambition of the ideas that are present and among us but need the fuel to be able to actually achieve the goal. >> his plan is not serious when

you lay it out like that but a serious problem over the last few years has been inflation. luckily, it is cooling but prices are still high. you said you want to take this on i going after those who engage in price gouging. as somebody who supports free markets, who is a capitalist, how do you go after price gouging without implementing price controls? because, once we get in the zone, people start to get worried in this i don't know what she stands for. >> just to be very frank, i'm never going to apologize for going after companies and corporations that take advantage of the desperation of the american people. as attorney general i saw this happen. in the midst of an emergency, whether it be in extreme weather event or even the pandemic, we saw for those few companies, not the majority, not most, but those few companies that would take advantage of the desperation of

people and jack up prices. yeah, i'm going to go after them. yes, i am going to go after them and that is part of a much more comprehensive plan on what we can do to bring down the cost of living, including housing, including the everyday needs of the american people. >> when we come back, we talk immigration and i asked the vice president what she says to community strangest by the surgeon illegal immigration when the 11th hour continues. n when the 11th hour continues. s. hpv vaccination—a type of cancer prevention against certain hpv-related cancers, can start then too. for most, hpv clears on its own. but for others, it can cause certain cancers later in life. you're welcome! now, as the “dad cab”, it's my cue to help protect them. embrace this phase. help protect them in the next. ask their doctor today about hpv vaccination.

we are back live from carnegie mellon university in pittsburgh with more of my exclusive interview with vice president harris talking about abortion, migration, and why no job is a small job. watch this. on friday you are going to the border. immigration is complicated. one of the issues is an economic one and no one is eating cats and dogs in springfield, ohio and i'm glad not to be talking about that but there are people there who are stressed, that feel that they are at capacity. communities around the country that have legal immigration, many have said, we are at capacity. many feel like the government has said to them well, adapt. sit down and be quiet. this is how it is. what would a harris administration do for those communities who have taken in many legal immigrants but are at capacity? >> first of all, we do have a broken immigration system and it needs to be fixed and if we take a step back, months ago,

some of the most conservative members of the united states congress came together with others to propose a border security bill that would've put 1500 new agents on the border to help those hard-working border agents who were there right now working around the clock. it would've put more money into stemming the flow sentinel which is killing americans around the country and devastating communities. it would've put more resources into our ability to prosecute trans-national criminal organizations which in my career, i have prosecuted. donald trump got word of the bill, realized it was going to fix a problem he wanted to run on and told them kill the bill,

don't put it up for a vote. he killed a bill that would've been a solution because he wants to run on the problem instead of fixing the problem and that is part of what needs to be addressed in my pledge is that when elected president, if the american people will have me, i will bring that bill back and i will sign it into law. and, we need a comprehensive plan that includes what we need to do not only to fortify or border but deal with the fact that we need to create pathways to people to earn citizenship. >> i want to ask you about a little job in a big job. the first one just up fact check. >> there is no such thing as a little job. >> okay, fair. your opponent almost every day seems to be talking about this so i want to ask you yes or no. at any point in your life have you serve two all beef patties special sauce lettuce cheese pickles onions on a sesame seed bun? yes or no, that's it. >> i have. but it was not a small job. >> then let me ask about a big job. >> to your point if you don't mind, before we get to the big job, there is -- part of the reason even talk about having worked at mcdonald's is because there are people who work at mcdonald's in our country who are trying to raise a family. i worked there as a student.

i was a kid who worked there trying to raise families trying to pay rent on that i think part of the difference between me and my opponent includes our perspective on the needs of the american people and what our responsibility then is to meet those needs. >> to the big job, you have laid out policy in great detail. but, the economy is an unpredictable beast and you are running for a job that takes extraordinary instinct and guts. one is the last time you had to make a good decision? >> this year is very prescribed. it's very controlled. >> probably the biggest got decision i have made most recently is to choose my running mate. there are lots of good, incredible candidates and ultimately that came down to a good decision. >> i know i'm out of time but then i just want to ask you a

question from my gut because today we are talking -- excuse me, we're talking about the economy and people don't think often about reproductive rights being an economic issue but it is. a woman's ability to plan her future, her education, her life today and in the last two days donald trump keeps talking about it and how in overturning roe v wade he helped women, he protected women. he says they are miserable today. there are poorer today. they are more vulnerable today. he said he will be the protector of women if elected. can you respond to that? >> so, donald trump is also the person who said women should be punished for exercising a decision that they rightly should be able to make about their own body in the future. so, i think we would all agree that as a result of that

perspective that he has about women, he also then chose three members of the united states supreme court who did as he intended, undid the protections of roe v. wade, and now in state after state, you see laws being passed that do punish women. was that i mean most recently, a heartbreaking story resulted in a young woman dying, a mother of a six-year-old. heart-wrenching stories, and that is for the listener, much less their family. so, look, i think the thing about donald trump is that you know, i don't think the women of america need him to say he's going to protect them. the women of america need him to trust them. >> can we trust you? >> yes. yes. i am not perfect, but i will tell you, i'm always going to put the needs of the people first. >> madam vice president, thank you for your time today. >> thank you.

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our panel is here to discuss my interview with vice president harris. peter baker, chief white house correspondent for the new york time, david garrard,

correspondent for limburg, former missouri senator claire mccaskill and michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee and former lieutenant governor of maryland. clear, that is your former colleagues who you know very well. what stuck out to you, the sort of return to normal politicians. >> listen, i think she did a terrific job so my big take away was let's do this more often. i think the more the american people see her in a situation where you were lobbing a substantive questions at her including some that were not easy, and she handled it calmly, thoughtfully, and the contrast that i think is most important is that she made that entire interview about the american people. she made it about their needs, their desires, their

aspirations and how she can bend the economy in ways that we know are limited but nonetheless, the policy that would matter to make a difference in their lives. it was not boastful. it was not full of eyes and me's. it was not full of fanciful phrases that were hyperbole. it was not full of just sentences that make no sense whatsoever when you apply them to the problem that is been asked about. the contrast was so significant and i think the more the american people see that contrast i think the more comfortable we are going to be with her in the oval office. >> i would agree with that, in large measure. i think she has done a good job of bypassing, much like ronald reagan did, the mainstream media, if you will. the necessity of the media to be touched, you know, they love to be touched. they want to be able to sit

down and probe. and she has sort of sidestepped that in the first 40 days of this effort and started that connection with the voters. her sit down with you today was really kind of the first formal okay, let me do it the way everybody thinks i should, but by then she had already begun to lay down some goalpost, laying out her vision for the country's economy, already being on the record with respect to the middle east and europe, and so i think she started the conversation on her terms and it continued in this excellent interview she had with you. what was interesting about the speech was one headline i just love to today. that said -- it was from the des moines register. that said harris economic speech lacked anger and racism. what's wrong with her? and i thought that was the

perfect contrast to what we have seen from donald trump and she did that expertly so i would agree with claire. i think the more she is out here having this conversation, sitting down, she's going to show herself to be more presidential than the actual former president and that may help her close the gap with some of those voters who are still skittish about her. >> peter, for those who say what are we getting, what is she giving? we don't know her. are they seen, or is she delivering in a way, to michael's point, she's not giving them crazy. >> yeah, look, i think probably the most important thing for her is not what she said in today's speech or what she said to you in the interview, but the fact that she gave an interview and

she took questions, substantive questions and she gave answers. i'm sure there are economic experts out there, particularly conservatives, who can pick apart her answers. there are a lot of questions about why these are all good ideas like going after companies that are gouging people on prices. why didn't she and the biden administration do that earlier when inflation was at 9%, so you can find ways to pick apart the things that she said in there but i think what is most important is to say that she does have a plan and that is what a lot of voters wanted to hear because up until now they did not know she had one, had not heard her talk about things that mattered to her, the value she wanted to express on the idea that she could empathize with people who are struggling with the economy even though the economy is doing pretty well by a lot of measures. the economy has been trump's strongest political area according to most polls, but

she has been closing that gap and this is something she can go out there and say have taken her questions, i've outlined my plan. i care about you and it's not crazy and not, you know, about i and me. >> it isn't funny -- when we say we have a better understanding about what her values are, what are donald trump's? we can say i know what ronald reagan's were. i know what mitch mcconnell's were. think about donald trump in the last week said he wants to pick a cap on interest rates on credit cards. that's what a socialist would want to do. let's talk about donald trump and crypto in the last week, embracing cryptocurrency,

something he wants that was nonsense and doesn't that get us back to this place that here we are analyzing and saying well, we now know where her values lie. what are her opponents? do we ever ask for that? >> he's all over the map at times. he's offered to pay for everybody's ivf treatments. that's a pretty expensive proposition. how does that fit into your economic plan, he didn't really say. it's not so much about having a plan aside i will make it better is saying i did it before and i'll do it again nevermind that is economy was not the greatest in the world as he likes to claim. it was a good economy before covid but he likes to exaggerate. he does not deal with the details. the only detail he really talks about consistently our tariffs and of course he does not say that tests are in in fact, attacks on consumers. he likes to pretend this is all about foreign countries paying us money as if they are giving us dues or something like that. that is not the way tariffs were, of course, but that is the one go to he has ended appeals to sort of a protectionist moment we have in

our country right now but it is not a big economic plan. he even said that's his solution to childcare. is going to apply tariffs to china so you're right that he is not laid out a coherent, consistent forethought serious planet she was trying to hit him on that. he is not a serious actor here. >> david, what was your take away? >> i think she clearly understood the assignment and a lot of people will say finally, this is a serious speech she delivered today. a serious interview she did with you and i think this all stems from what we have seen in all of these polls over the last few weeks. we look at the nbc news one, the cbs news one, the new york times one, the thing that comes to the surface and each of them is how much the american electorate cares about the economy and high prices.

of course you know that and i know that but we are seeing it there so she is responding to that. she is responding to something else in these polls, that is the eagerness among the electorate to know more about her, what motivates her, what -- how she would govern and you have to look at the speech trump gave yesterday. he was quick at the top to say this is a rally, this is a serious economic speech. it evolved from that really quickly and to peter's point about the details, we got details but as is the case in a lot of the speeches were rallies, they varied over the course of the event itself. he talked about levying 100% tariff on cars coming in from mexico than 200% tariffs in the same speech so it's hard to look at that as a serious proposal and something he has advocated for for many weeks now is a concrete economic plan from vice president harris. she has put that forward today. it is more than 80 pages long. we will see if that resonates with the electorate but we now

have that. we now have that document that we can go through. i think that is safe to say that it is many dozens of pages longer than what we have seen from former president trump. >> 200% tariff on john deere if they produce equipment in mexico. it would be crashing to the american consumer who buys the products and it would devastate a great american business. what is your take because i asked vp harris what is your take on despite all of this, despite that donald trump does not have a coherent plan, that there have been huge economic winds under the biden-harris administration, donald trump still pulls better with likely voters on how he will handle the economy. i'm almost embarrassed to say it, but is it because he kind of rolls like a bus, he talks like he knows business? >> yeah. i think it's a lot of that.

>> i can't believe i said that but i think it's true. >> we will forgive you of it. it's late. you can get away with it at this hour. i think in many respects it is the combination of a number of things that also came together around the same time that created a perception that the democrats have had some trouble overcoming despite the successes that they've had with infrastructure in the chips act and a host of other major legislative achievements. that included, and republicans supported it and voted for it, and i think part of it was the communication around this achievements in the very beginning. i think it was the nostalgia, which every president, regardless of how yucky they are , get from the american people because we are nostalgic and we kind of look back on things and rewrite the history even though it was last week, you know. we rewrite the history and say that was actually pretty good week. now, you actually had two car accidents but you know, we find a better way to look at it and

absent anything that is more clarifying, that nostalgic framing is going to stick and that was the first 18 months of the biden administration where it was the stark contrast the people were making between what they just had come through, confetti -- forgetting about covid, the death of family members and how the economy flatlined and skipped all of that and went back to when gas was two dollars a gallon so i think now there is a little cleanup on aisle mind that is taking place, they have turned some important corners and i think a lot of that was helped by joe biden making the switch, and so there was a reset and the refresh of the conversation, and,, certainly as evidenced by her conversation with her today, has a plan and has laid that out

, and now the country can look at that and i think there will be a greater contrast to the fact that donald trump has nothing to offer them and he has no way forward except you know, childcare is childcare and we will just put a tariff on it. >> he did cut people's taxes and for lots of folks out there who say the government does nothing for me, they can point to the fact that they got their taxes lowered. that expires next year but claire, the one group that remains interesting to me are union workers. i am right here in pittsburgh, obviously a steel town. donald trump connected with unions in america in 2016, forgotten voters, forgotten americans. he connected with them on an emotional level that from a policy perspective, he did nothing on the biden administration, unions have had huge winds under president biden so why do you think vice president harris, where she has a great deal of union support,

not as much is president biden, she did not get the teamsters endorsement. i asked her what the reasoning was, what they told her. she did not really answer that question. why do you think she doesn't have it? trump puts on a show but they saw what he does. he did not help them. >> yeah, i think the teamsters has leadership right now. i think he is trying to please everybody. a lot of rank-and-file folks in unions, especially in building trades, want to give the middle finger to the system, and donald trump got that and he marketed that. he is all about giving the middle finger to the system, to an institution that makes america work, so she's going to have plenty of union support. i predict that she will end up with a very strong pro-union vote before this is said and done and i've got to tell you this, stephanie. i am so sick of the media

saying she needs to be specific. i need somebody to ask him how drill, drill, drill makes sense, how deportation is going to solve any economic problem in crime problem and how tariffs are going to do anything but cause inflation. if the media doesn't get him tied down on that with specifics i don't want to hear another word about how she needs to be more specific. >> well, clear, we've asked for an interview. we will see what happens. thank you all very much. you can catch my full interview with the vice president on our youtube page. be right back. youtube page. be right back.

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